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Re: Bootstrapping Frontend Component Views 11 months, 3 weeks ago #739

Twitter too does that, "Compose" is on the top right.
But i think that also depends on the number of actions. If you have just "new" it could be near the title as Kyle showed, but if there are more than one, like edit, remove, etc, they should be on the top right imho. More space available

Daniele Rosario
Daniele Rosario

Re: Bootstrapping Frontend Component Views 11 months, 3 weeks ago #740

You bring up another good point when you have more buttons "like edit, remove"
I'm proposing that especially on the frontend (but admin as well) that we move away from so many buttons in the toolbar, and place as many as possible into a "Bulk actions" or "Actions" dropdown. Joomla is currently riddled with buttons and icons, and everything is competing for dominance
-Kyle Ledbetter

Re: Bootstrapping Frontend Component Views 11 months, 3 weeks ago #741

For the frontend i liked your "gear" icon with the collapse for the actions.
I would propose two icons, one with a "+" for new and one with the gear for the rest
Daniele Rosario

Re: Bootstrapping Frontend Component Views 11 months, 3 weeks ago #742

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The "Bulk actions" or "Actions" dropdown is Ok for Advanced Usage.

But it's not the easiest way or replacement for the usual Toolbar.... at the end, the actions are hidden in the first view and it requires to be clicked to know what is inside.

If the Toolbar has a lot of buttons, it's an implementation problem to choose priorities between Toolbar vs "Bulk actions" and achieve a good balance.

Thanks!

Re: Bootstrapping Frontend Component Views 11 months, 3 weeks ago #743

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+1 for buttons at right side.

Re: Bootstrapping Frontend Component Views 11 months, 3 weeks ago #744

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I like the idea for button on right hand side.
Also would like to add if there are more buttons then we can create some placeholder where buttons can be arranged on another raw (for backend as m not sure but i saw not much buttons on backend always), For frontend we can have that + buttons with the collapse for the actions after certain button limits.

Re: Bootstrapping Frontend Component Views 11 months, 2 weeks ago #772

I am too not a great supporter of the "buttons to the left".
Especially when there is a dynamic-length title next to it. Because then the placement of the button is also dynamic (not always so many pixels from the left).

AFAIK Google also does not place action buttons like 'New' and such next to the title. Ofly special actions like 'favorite' (star).

So a +1 from me too to have the buttons on the right.
OR on the left but on a fixed position, so on a new line or with a fixed offset (and limit the title length view).

As for the icons approach (+, cog), I think that labels are very important on the frontend.
There are a LOT of novice users that don't automatically understand all these icons and symbols.
Google Mail does only have icons, nowadays. And I don't think that that is a smart approach of them. It has also been a point of discussion in many threads when GMail made that change.

I still find my self pausing often when wondering which one is the 'Report Spam' button. Very counter-productive. Maybe I am just too old...
But having said that, many users are old too.

Re: Bootstrapping Frontend Component Views 5 months ago #1393

This bootstrapping thing is becoming a big mess for all of us because, imho, Joomla! hasn't publicly stated yet that "Bootstrap is a standard for Joomla! 3+. Whatever you develop, develop with bootstrap in mind. Anything beyond that is at your own risk of incompatibility, be it an extension or a template".

I'm mentioning this and posting this here, because I believe that this was a great bet of Joomla! dev people to introduce bootstrap in J3, but now, it's looks like most extension developers are doing some hard work to adapt their, already built, extensions to J3 and developing new ones with J3 R3EADY in mind and suddenly template developers aren't giving a dam about Joomla! and what is new that they should at least try to accomplish minimally.

I had a client, a couple of days ago, that downloaded one of my fully J3 R3EADY components, and suddenly, in the front-end of his new "J3 template", it didn't work as it should because the (big well known) template developer didn't even include a line of jQuery, even the non-conflict and in their website they state that the template is fully compatible with Joomla! 3!!

So, my question is if bootstrap is really a standard or just a ball in the Christmas tree and we should start developing extensions with nothing in mind unless pure php code?

Imho, I think it would be nice to have an official statement from Joomla!™ for this, because for the discussions I've seen already in the cms groups and others, with people cursing bootstrap, and the mess that developers are in, it looks like we're heading to a place were most of us don't want to be - the lawless land.

(sorry if not posting this in the right place)
Last Edit: 5 months ago by marioppro.
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