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Re: Strategy for frontend templates 11 months ago #815

I've not tried it with Square One, but the only compatibility issues I've run into so far are during installation with extensions. Sometimes extensions write some custom scripts that don't execute quite the same because the installer is a little bit different, but so far I have been able to get any extension to work. 99% of the code is the same as Joomla, so its pretty likely the same

Re: Strategy for frontend templates 10 months, 3 weeks ago #827

Hi there,
I'm new to the discussion.
About templates: Many developers prefer to work with their own templates, where he can control everything. So in my opinion a "fits for all"-template does not exist - and it can't as every project has its own special needs.
Of course a frontend editing would be great. Here got several questions:
Is frontend editing part of Joomla 3.0?
The stuff on www.kyleledbetter.com/j3ux/site/index.html# looks nice. Who is working on this? Is it working already?
Kind Regards

Re: Strategy for frontend templates 10 months, 3 weeks ago #828

Hi,
My frontend editing mockup still remains a mockup. It's a fairly large undertaking and we don't have the resources currently to develop it. We're currently focusing on this list of tasks, most of which are much higher priority show-stoppers for 3.0 ux.joomla.org/projects/2-joomla-3-0-ux/tasks

Someone can always volunteer to help build out my mockup, but I'm thinking it will end up being a 3.1 feature
-Kyle Ledbetter

Re: Strategy for frontend templates 10 months, 3 weeks ago #830

Where can I see the progress? How am I to take part?

Re: Strategy for frontend templates 10 months, 3 weeks ago #832

Hi,
The concept markup on my site is the only progress. We'd love your help if you're an experience Joomla dev and would like to put together a proposal. All you need to do is clone our current JUX repository and github, make the changes and submit a pull request.

Make sure to checkout the 'template' branch of github.com/Joomla3-Admin-template/joomla-cms
-Kyle Ledbetter

Re: Strategy for frontend templates 10 months, 3 weeks ago #833

Thank you for clarifying the current development of front end editing in Joomla 3.0 Kyle.

There's been some information posted out in the community showing your bootstrap HTML proof of concept site as 'joomla 3.0 front-end editing', so I'm glad you cleared up where that stands for now.

I'm so glad to see the support you've managed to rally, both from within the project and the surrounding community to take on this massive shift to bootstrap Joomla. Thanks to all that are participating. It looks like there's quite a bit left to do still, and not much time until 3.0 is released.

Re: Strategy for frontend templates 10 months, 2 weeks ago #848

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One thing I came across the other day was this:

code.google.com/p/vqmod/

Originally intended for OpenCart it basically allows virtual modifications of any php file using XML, and therefore leaving the original file untouched. There is a stand alone version that could be adapted to Joomla.

There are good and bad sides to this:

Bad - the final template or modification can rely on the original file being present, so if something like variable names change it could break, I suppose (not too up on this!)

Bad - if you want to move to a system where the site (or other) template is effectively a stand alone application, then modding rather than creating from scratch may not be the best way.

Bad - there is the potential for performance issues, though the guy who wrote the code has seen no issues.

Good - It really encourages leaving the core files untouched as there is no reason to touch them.

Good - in theory it makes any modification very lean as you do not end up with two unique version of the same file

Good - there is the potential of creating multiple virtual modifications of any one file allowing limitless possibilities.

The main down side with the system at the moment is that it is a bit of an expert orientated system in that you need to have a really good knowledge of the original file structure and use. Having said that, a more wizard base version might allow very quick modifications of files that could prove to be a huge advantage to less expert designers (like me!). For instance, this system would potentially replace many of the file overrides that are currently used in templates (com_content, modules and so on) very quickly and easily, especially where the modification is very simple (like changing the title tag).

Anyway, thought I would throw that into the mix.


Joss

Re: Strategy for frontend templates 10 months, 2 weeks ago #851

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About strategy.

I think J! should have a minimal CSS layout system. If you want an even more structured layout page via CSS you can do whatever you want in your HTML folder of your template.

In this case J! could have a simpler and cleaner CSS files. On an upper level there are the dev/designer hands...

Joomla! 3.0 is a great opportunity for "rendering" contents and whose main goal is to reduce the use of classes on individual units as a Standard css system.
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